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thank you thank you and that's somewhat

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ironic Gary because um it's not

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necessarily the non-material study of it

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because I did take you to a crash

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retrieval

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site a

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legend okay so

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um all right I do know that the title

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has changed a bit and that's how it goes

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so today I'm going to be talking about

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um basically three traditions of

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studying UAP that have been and by the

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way I'll be using UAP and UFO inter uh

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interchangeably uh J stratton's not here

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so I think I can get away with

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that so um basically

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since the mid 20th century there have

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been three roughly three traditions of

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UAP research and what happens is that uh

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nobody knows about some of them okay

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what and this is by the way I am a a

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professor of religious studies and some

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of you may wonder what are you doing up

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there talking about UAP and I often

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wonder that myself but hopefully um that

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will be answered at the end of this uh

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talk um all right since the mid 20th

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Cent Century there have been roughly

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four distinct research Traditions that

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focus on the search for an ongoing study

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of UAP UFO

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phenomena today I'm going to provide a

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brief survey of these Traditions since

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many involved here may not be aware of

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the work being done by others and here's

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an example um so I a lot of this that's

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coming from this paper is taken from a

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paper that I just wrote for Oxford uh to

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published pretty soon and peer-reviewed

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by somebody on AI your research team and

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I bet you did not know

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that and it might be horrifying to you

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but it is true and and he reached out to

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me and said okay I read it it's good

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it's going to be you you'll get to

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publish it and so and I actually did

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access a lot of people here because you

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it's basically a a history of uh This

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research in the 20th and early 21st

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century and um you know this is a

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difficult thing to write so I accessed

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the colleges and the members of the

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colleges and lots of people here uh

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Leslie Kane helped and um and I saw

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everyone so it's gonna it's I see it as

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a collaborative effort which by the way

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is really the focus of this topic this

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today all right there is as we know a

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compartmentalization that is

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characteristic of Academia we all know

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that right who are academics we don't

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talk to each other we might be right

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next to math but you know we don't know

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what they're doing over there and they

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don't know what we're doing um and sad

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with respect to this topic uaps the

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compartmentalization is Extreme due

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partly to the stigmatization of the

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study and due to legitimate factors

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involving National Security for example

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researchers in astrobiology are

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generally unaware of what people in the

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public scholarship of UAP studies are

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doing and vice versa so I call uh the

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public scholarship of UAP studies

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euphology and I'm going to talk a little

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bit about that and people who do

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astrobiology and astrophysics and I know

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a couple people who do exobiology

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research at MIT they generally don't

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pick up books by well me and books by

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people who who do euphology but

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strangely enough people who do euphology

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don't actually pick up like Sarah

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seager's books right at MIT and I

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thought that was strange so I I decided

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to talk about that today

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um Okay so until 2019 I don't think

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anyone knew that researchers of religion

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have been studying uaps since at least

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1940s today however we find ourselves at

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an important moment where these

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necessary for researchers to learn from

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each other of course we know that but do

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we do it and I say yes we we're starting

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to do that today and and by the way

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somebody asked me um just today just a

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few minutes ago so how do you feel about

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the conference and I had told Gary

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earlier I thanked him and I said I

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actually feel really validated to tell

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you the truth because everybody today

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spoke about you know the push back that

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they've received from their research

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from doing research like this uh I

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promise you it's different than doing

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Catholic history which is what I did

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before I didn't get pushed back then so

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I literally feel like I've gone through

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this couple years of a gauntlet of

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hatred or something you know at me and

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so beatric mentioned this and aie

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mentioned this and I know of course um

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jacqu and Gary know about it so you know

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it's a real thing and so I felt I I told

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Gary I felt really validated you know by

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all of us here and I was like yes I like

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this we get to talk about it together um

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so I'm going to discuss these four

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traditions by I am a religious studies

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Professor first telling a story about

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the myth of Prometheus I will end by

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describing the exciting intersection of

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the works of a NASA historian a strong

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Romer he's a double doing both of those

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and a Quantum Computing researcher and

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creator of artificial

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intelligence this intersection reveals

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novel ways of understanding the

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connections between human knowledge and

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our perceptions of non-human

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intelligence but first let me allow uh

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or allow me to recap the Greek religion

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or myth of Prometheus so this is a myth

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that is about 2,700 years although most

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likely a lot older uh due to or

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tradition and it has been retold many

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times even today in movies and media and

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if um if any so really Scott comes to

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mind he does a lot of work on using

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utilizing the myth of Prometheus um if

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you haven't seen alien you need to see

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that um it is a story so Prometheus is a

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story about the human interaction with

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non-human intelligence and the subject

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of that interaction is uh technology so

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here we have this ancient myth and and

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the issue is uh basically these three

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things that we've been talking about um

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human beings non-human intelligence and

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Technology transfer okay so there's a

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technology transfer between these

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about so prometh is a protog god um

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which is a Titan of Greek religion he is

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said to have created humans from clay

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then gives it to humans humans then

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perfect it and become technologically

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proficient I'll save you the Gory

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to John Mack obviously Alan highneck um

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tomorrow and they represent some of the

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about the invisible tradition which is

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alen Heek um the academic tradition and

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uh John Mack is the academic tradition

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she's like a synthesis of that so here

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um so humans ultimately use their

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technology to sadly destroy each other

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eternal punishment by the gods for his

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mistake of offering human beings

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knowledge and the at

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that technology affords and um I'll save

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you the Gory details it's worse than

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that picture portrays but um he's

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recognizable to you as it occurs in many

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iterations in various cultures not just

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Greek culture not just our culture um

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it's a god granting human beings the

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gift of knowledge humans seem to mess it

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up and are punished in various ways

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human beings change so the myth of

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Prometheus actually gets Rewritten

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throughout history so many times um

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attention to Mary Shell's retelling of

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this myth um this is Frankenstein and um

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Prometheus in 1818 and by the way she

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was 18 when she wrote this um she

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describes the tale of a scientist who

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creates a replicant

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a copy of a human a thing that is

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engineered from human parts and a bolt

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of lightning gives it life this

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replicant is self-aware in the version

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of Prometheus he in this version he is a

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human being he is actually a scientist

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monstrous um the relationship between

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Frankenstein and his monster technology

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actually leads to his death in the

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that Frankenstein is the monster but

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myths often provide information that is

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kind of understand myths a lot better

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but they still give us information that

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we can't actually understand in in uh

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with like the written

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word there is no well-known or PR or

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practice myth or religion of um I'm

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um of things like mathematics okay but

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there is a myth of how humans acquired

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the knowledge of mathematics so as where

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there's actually if you talk to them

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acquisition of knowledge that is

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sometimes myth likee and that's what I'm

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going to talk about we see this in the

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20th century in a riff on this myth and

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it occurs in India actually um shr vasen

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mathematicians in the world and is still

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renowned for his contributions to math

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Theory and infinite series and analyses

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which are relevant today there's a

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journal dedicated to his work ramanan

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attributed his knowledge of math

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calculations and theories to the goddess

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Lakshmi he said that she whispered these

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theorems in his ear fully

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formed he finally got to Cambridge he

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was a self-taught well if you believe

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his story Lakshmi taught him um but he

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he didn't have a formal education and he

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ended up at Cambridge University and his

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colleagues were embarrassed by his

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assertions but he never retracted them

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thankfully his calculations haven't

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become self-aware like Frankenstein's

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monster but what you see here is you see

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a non-human intelligence uh the goddess

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LMI providing ramanan with knowledge so

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the myth is a reality for him for

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ramanan We can question the objectivity

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of his goddess but we cannot question

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the results of his relationship with

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with her he is in fact a mathematician

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caliber when I began my research into

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the UAP phenomena in

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2012 I began with a study of the history

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of the United States and Russian space

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programs I found that a lot of the

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formative scientists in these Traditions

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described similar Promethean types of

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myths with respect to their knowledge

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production some T scientists were

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attributing their Cal calculations to an

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external agent like

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Loi um for example Constantine

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chosi uh one of the founders of the

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Russian Space Program believed he was in

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touch with Angelic

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presences uh we have Jack Parsons he

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believed that he was in touch with other

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presences they weren't Angelic but the

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process was the same okay A

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bit so I didn't know this I thought it

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was interesting

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um and I did ask people from NASA who I

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knew and I said did you know this and

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they said well kind of we knew that but

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we don't actually talk about that and I

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was like I get it you know it's kind of

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strange and plus we have a stereotype of

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science so they wouldn't want to mess

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with that stereotype and I got that but

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I was still really curious and then um I

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met contemporary space scientists he

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told me about their own external agents

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which they believed were

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extraterrestrial or uh basic uh

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non-human intelligence which we'll get

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into later so when I actually published

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This research I use pseudonyms to

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protect their identities the people that

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I talked about um they would have been

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embarrassed for the public to know that

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this was how they created their

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Technologies and just a a minor Point

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here in Academia we have these IRB which

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are internal review boards and we as as

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researchers protect our subjects so the

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reason I use pseudonyms sometimes is not

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out of hey it's a cool mystery let's try

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to figure out who these people are it's

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it's because we're protecting their

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identities because they requested this

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and we protect human subjects um yeah so

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I thought I would because people always

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ask me why did you do that um so the

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Cambridge Scholars who were ran Jean's

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colleagues were very embarrassed by his

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talk of getting his math calculations

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from LMI but they admitted his work was

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brilliant this brings me to This Moment

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In Time the first of the UAP research

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Traditions that I'm going to talk about

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um is is an embarrassment for the US

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government but for others as well as it

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has been unacknowledged for what appears

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to be as jacqu mentioned 7075 years um

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and by the way I wasn't looking to find

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out about this I happen to stumble upon

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it during my research so I stumbled upon

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it by accident in the course of my study

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of Religion and myth this is the

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tradition that has been admittedly

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classified but is now being acknowledged

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this old tradition and fits and starts

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on the world stage this past year and

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even almost weekly we hear we're hearing

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about this so this is the tradition of

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the invisible programs and this is the

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first tradition that I'm talking about

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that have acquired Technologies by means

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that seem unbelievable and even

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mythical in

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2016 uh some of you know about this uh

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Gary referenced it I traveled to New

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Mexico with our host Gary who back then

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went by the pseudonym James and our

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friend Tyler also a pseudonym because I

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didn't have a name for the programs I

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was learning about I called the people

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who worked in these pro programs the

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Invisibles I was really shocked that

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this research tradition was in place but

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after seven years of being exposed to

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the fruits of the labors of the people

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in these programs and their scientific

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Explorations I didn't doubt them and I

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really did doubt them when I began the

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study so I opened that research that

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became a book um at a site in New Mexico

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I was informed that it was a UFO crash

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site a site of one of a series of

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crashes that occurred in the

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1940s the site was not Roswell and it

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had been kept very secret in fact Gary

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and I had to be blindfolded to get to

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the site The two scientists I was with

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Gary Bean W um had no doubt that this

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event had happened and that we as in

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humans had found crash debris therefore

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they called to site the donation site

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suggesting that the intelligence that

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had put the vehicles there had done so

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purposely for humankind's

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benefit I didn't believe it of course to

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me this appeared to be a new version of

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the myth of Prometheus as it fit the

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template but this new version which in a

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way I I felt compelled to write was

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different because the technologies that

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seem to be either inspired by this event

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or literally reverse engineered

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depending on who you talk to were like

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Raman Jean's math objectively real I

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witnessed some of its tangible products

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as people outside of these communities

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we cannot know how much knowledge has

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been acquired much like Raman Jean's

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goddess Lakshmi scientists with who I

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was doing field research believed that

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they were acquiring technology or

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technological products from

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extraterrestrials or non-human

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intelligence this is why they called

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that site the donation site so they were

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giving in a sense like reverence um to

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this and of course I saw this in a

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religious likee way despite the Rel

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relative invisibility of This research

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tradition and now we're going to go on

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to the next one some information about

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it leaked out to the public and it

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inspired a much more public facing

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tradition that still exists today and

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even flourishes the second research

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tradition is the public scholarship of

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uaps and is called euphology it is a

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field that is often maligned

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historically however the first

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ethologists were scientists like Dr

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James McDonald McDonald was trained as a

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physicist he was funded by the Office of

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Naval Research and gave academic talks

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about the subject to officers military

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scientists and interested parties from

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the general public when Douglas was

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doing his research the term ethologist

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was not a term of derision it was

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actually respectable and when I perused

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the early records related to UFOs in

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their study I found that people like

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Douglas were referenced as physicist

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ethologist without any suggestion of

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disrepute it was this public scholarship

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euphology that gave us terms like Close

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Encounters criteria attributed to Alan

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heineck and on public institutions like

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muon which trained field researchers to

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take data from UFO events from credible

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and uncredible Witnesses it is important

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to note that this public scholarship

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euphology was both inspired and

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influenced by the intelligence

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communities of those eras or what I have

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termed the invisible research tradition

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how much influence occurred between

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these two Traditions is really just hard

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to

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decipher so some of the highlights of

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the public facing scholarship called

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euphology um one of the highlights has

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been jacqu vet's passport to Magonia

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and jacqu like Douglas is a trained PhD

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a scholar yet his hobby has been to

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write books that one can find in the

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bookstore Under The Heading euphology

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passport to Magonia was published in

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1968 hopefully that's when it was I

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believe so and it was a deep dive into

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the historical

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record of the European tradition like

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folklore and fairy faith and its

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resonances with modern reports of UFOs

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it is a record or historic of I'm sorry

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it was a record of historical sightings

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of aerial objects in addition to

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attempts to explain these so you know

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our instruments back then were actually

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pen and paper and that's how we recorded

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events that we saw in the sky and we

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also recorded people's experiences of

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them so you know that's like the

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beginning here of a of a science right

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um so so jacqu in in many ways jacques's

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book reads like a book from my field

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religious studies and in research my own

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research actually about purgatory and

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Catholic Doctrine I found that upon

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being confronted with an orb or aerial

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object many European Catholics

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interpreted these as Souls from

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purgatory or Angels or demons and they

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all needed to be prayed back to where

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they came from so that's that's you know

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I so I resonated when I read uh

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passport okay so far I've described the

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first tradition uh the invisible

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research tradition of uaps and the

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second as euphology um the third

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tradition is the academic uh study of

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uaps and it is important to know that

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many academics who study the topic this

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is John Mack of course um Harvard

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psychiatrist um many academics who study

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the topic have been inspired both by

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people who experience UFO events but

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also by

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ethologists so uh John Mack he's a

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classic example of an academic who

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studied the topic um and he was inspired

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by Bud Hopkins ethologist and artist um

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and jacqu F who is uh hard to Define so

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we'll just leave it at that um but each

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of them have been associated with

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euphology

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Max's second book called passport to the

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COS Cosmos many of you may may have read

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it utilizes the term passport which

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probably is a reference to the title of

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jacques's book passport to Magonia I

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don't know that for a fact but it seems

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like quite a coincidence and since some

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of the scientists have already talked

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about coincidences I thought I should

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too so John Max work followed bud bud

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Hopkins lead in focusing on the

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subjective experiences of people who not

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only saw aerial phenomena but also

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beings according to heck's

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classification criteria they would have

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had Close Encounters of the Third and

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Fourth Kind probably everyone here is

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aware that John Mack was subject to an

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internal investigation

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of his research methods by his

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university he was a tenure Professor a

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research professor and had already won a

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peit Sur prize uh but he he still got

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investigated um the investigation

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revealed that his research methods were

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sound and they were ethical and more

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importantly his own research found that

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people who claimed to be experiencers to

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have experiences of Close Encounters of

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the Third and Fourth Kind where they see

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beings and have interactions with them

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did not exhibit any psychological

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pathologies they were found to be as

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people so another academic trained as an

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astronomer and a historian is Stephen

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dick he is currently on the research

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team of the Galileo project and I've

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been following his work and also in

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correspondence with him since

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2012 Steven's work within the academic

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and Empirical research of

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extraterrestrial studies is visionary in

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a way that is historical and futurist

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his writings include the topic of the

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search for et life in the western

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tradition which is known as the

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plurality of Worlds so astrobiology the

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study of the origin and the evolution of

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life and the future of life in the

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universe and one of its goals is the

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search for extraterrestrial life um but

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he also interpreted he had a couple of

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ideas one was that um to recognize that

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if we meet in non-human intelligence

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it's going to be post biological um and

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he assumed that it was going to be Ai

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and so he said this about 20 years ago

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and he has updated it um I work with a

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group that's an

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AI working group and I gave them the

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work of Steph and um I gave them some of

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the things that he suggested that um we

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talk about which was the intelligence

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principle which implies that given the

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opportunity to increase intelligence

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whether through biotechnology genetic

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engineering or AI any society would do

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so or fail to do so at its own

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Peril so I studied the connections

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between technology and religious belief

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the basis of almost all religions is a

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contact with nhi so Steven speculation

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sounded religious to me in 2019 after my

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research was was published and I showed

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my group the uh his paper uh they

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suggested that we take out the temporal

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language and they said if as qu and by

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the way uh the people in the group are

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quantum um AI they do Quantum AI um

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Quantum Computing with AI so one of them

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said if as quantum mechanics reveals

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particles exist in a state of

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superposition meaning that they can be

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in multiple States simultaneously then

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post Biologicals could actually occur in

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alternate Dimensions instead of within a

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linear timeline just on Earth this

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however suggests that there's an

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incommensurability problem um which

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means that you know uh we may not

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understand or be able to communicate

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with these AIS uh one member of the um

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of the group suggested a workaround and

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suggested that the intelligence

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principle is very much like her idea and

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her name is Simone um what she calls the

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expansion of knowledge princi principle

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which is knowledge seeks expansion so um

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stepen derived this idea from his work

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in astrobiology where he thought that

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the um you know that we need to think in

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terms of billions of years millions and

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billions of years so the fourth

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tradition is being forged here today and

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I've been thinking about what to call it

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or how to describe it we could just call

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it UAP interdisciplinary studies but

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that misses the point because there was

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something more to it and I'll return to

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this point I use myself as an example I

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came to this work by accident I've been

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studying U UFOs and uaps for a little

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over 10 years but I'd been a scholar of

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religion for many more years than that

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00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:12,679
most of my academic life I was looking

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at records of uh references to culture

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00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:20,080
events so um they included spinning

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discs and things like that and then at

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this point I met people from the

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invisible research tradition the one

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that I just discussed so Tyler is a

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person in this program who um defies

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simple

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categorization um so he's a mission

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controller who works in the US space

636
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,279
program and we work together this was an

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accidental collaboration that produced

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00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:43,720
interesting results one of the results

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that It produced was we went to the

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Vatican and we identified places where

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there had been historical anomalous

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00:27:57,549 --> 00:27:53,799
Miracle activity and we correlated this

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with actual UFO hotspots so I thought

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thought that this was an interesting

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00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:01,360
collaboration because of the data that

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It produced and I had um and this is

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just one example of the context of many

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of the unique and unlikely research

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collaborations that me and other

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00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:14,640
researchers are doing so how do you

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describe this fourth tradition that's

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starting now right that this this

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00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,720
conference is is um helping produce is

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it

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interdisciplinary the word I've picked

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00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,240
up from my friends in AI is emergent

657
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when I inquired about definitions of

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emergence I found out that it certainly

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fits that is used to describe something

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that is arising developing or becoming

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apparent it often refers to the way

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complex systems or phenomena result from

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the interactions of simpler components

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Tyler and I were simple components that

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gave rise to an interesting research

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Discovery I was originally going to say

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that at this moment we can be the

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authors of the next myth of Prometheus

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but I actually don't think that that's

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how it works the fourth research

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00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:03,799
tradition appears to be an emergent

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phenomena and at this point I'm just